Indian Cave.

This cave is not far from home. It's down by the river. It's a climb up to it and slippery rocks so we didn't go up there. Phillip took the pic from below. Most of the rocks that were probably closing in the front of it have fallen to the base of the cliff. Phillip said he almost missed it because of the tree growing up in front of the cliff.He'd been past it before but the trees were leafed out then so he didn't see it. I had to go down to see it myself.

This is another cave close to the place we went to last thursday. It is just below the top of a steep hill. If the brush had been leafed out, we would have missed it. Phillip climbed up the slope and I had to zoom in to get this pic of him standing at the front of it. He said the roof and the walls were smoke stained but no sign of chips or pottery. Must have had a low wall in front of it because there were not enough rocks that I could see around that would have made a full one. They may be here but buried in the erosion and fallen sticks and leaves. He didn't do any digging there. Saving this place for a later dig.

I took this from below with only half zoom, so you can see just how close it is to the top. Since there is a kinda trail up to it I think it has been explored quite a few times by hunters. There are hunting /camping sites all around here. Still too cool here for the trees to leaf out but the last snow did make the grass grow. Hunters may have explored, but there were no signs of digging anywhere around. We did find arrowheads here before and come back at times to see what may have washed out. We will have to come back out here after a good rain to see if anything we dug out has cleaned off.

Got to looking out at the latest rocks we have gathered. Now that it has warmed up some, we will have to load up a bunch of them to take down to the river and clean. When it's hot enough to sit with your feet in the river, it's time to clean rocks while you are at it. Kill two birds at once.

Granny.

It's another saturday kiddies.

Granny.

Good night!

And that's when the fight started.

It's Friday!

Granny.

More about the cave.

This is one entrance to the paved alley leading to the patio area. There are some trees growing up in there now. Lots of limbs and debris in here so you can't walk through from one end to the other. Have to go around.

This is one of the trees down across the alley. Lots of limbs and a big rats nest below it.

Going around to the other end of the alley where one of cave entrances is, we come across these big boulders undergoing the gradual erosion that will set them free from the batholith. Makes you wonder if when it happens, will they roll or will the just settle down in place.

This is on the one side of the cave. Look close at the base of this huge rock. This darn thing is just sitting in a grove in the flatter rock at it's base. Looks like just a small nudge would set it tumbling down the hill. So precarious. Something to wonder about but not to indulge in nudging to find out.

The old dude renigged on another trip to look for crystals, so we went back out to where the Army had made the indians from one tribe or group stay together here with the Yavapai Apaches. We have incountered ash in places along the road cut that is over 5 feet deep. For ash that deep, the Indians must have lived in the area many many years.

Not too far from where we live. This is the first place Mom took me to look for arrowheads and it is also the first place I took Phillip after he came down. We have usually always found arrowheads here. You have to hike quite a ways from the road to find anything any more. Phillip found one of his axes here. We have found quite a few good monos and over a hundred or more broken metates. The only whole matates are always much too big to remove. About a mile hike both ways. As usual Phillip found a good encampment. He got some interesting stuff, and I got zilch. Oh! but I did get exersize, fresh air and no-see-um bites.

I was looking at the time on some of my other posts. This blog is on daylight savings time and AZ isn't. Oh well!. Nevermind.

Granny.

Good morning.

In regards to Jake post yesterday, you could tell them it's proves an alloy because I said so, that's why.

Another thing you could tell them, " I found the sulfur from China to be contaminated, so it only semi-conducted". That might get a rise out of them.

Maybe the stuff needs more heat. Is it cold up there in Colorado?

Granny.

Busy day.

We decided to clean up and sort all the crystals we got in the last few weeks. Took them down to the river to do it. Phillip put the crystals in a screen and then into the water to soak the clay. Then he swished them around till all the loose dirt had washed of. He put them in a pan with clean water then I sat on my behind and cleaned most of dirt off the good ones with a brush. Got some real nice ones and also a fair amount of crap. Later I will pick out some of the best to sell individually,and some to bag up and sell after I reclean them. The rest I will bag up to use as stock to give the folks who didn't find a good amount of crystals when we take them out. They can fininsh cleaning them. They can buy their own acid to get the rust stain off if they so choose. I tossed the junk crystals out all around where I was sitting. Sometime this summer some body will find them and wonder WTF. Where did these come from. They will be looking all over to see. Reminds me of the time Mom and I were down here for one of her stargazing thingys and we had picked up some brecciated jasper in a wash, coming back up from Phoenix. We stopped at Burro Creek on the way up north and picked up some pastelite. We decided since what we picked up was too much a load with the jasper, we jettisoned the jasper there along side the road where picked up the pastelite. I'll bet that had some people thinking. A few years later when I brought the folks down to AZ, Mom and I went out to Burro Creek, and sure enough, not a trace of the jasper remained. Some body glommed onto it. One other time Phillip and I were out on the desert where we get geodes and we parked in a pull-off to look for geodes. There was a pile of rocks near a fire pit. I looked at them and saw a few nice pieces of wonderstone. Had me looking round a bit until I also saw some sliced rocks. Then I knew someone else had jettisoned stones to make room for geodes maybe.

The willows and the alders are leafing out good down at the river. The cottonwoods will be blooming soon down there and there will be the fluff all over the place. Lots of creeping murtle starting to bloom and Phillip took pics. They will have to be processed yet. Camera still in the rig. So many birds. All kinds just singing away down there. I guess they are happy it's warming up enough to mate and nest. Fly catchers divebombing bugs and eating them and there was a flock of sparrows all around the edge of the wide spot where the road crosses the river. They were all taking baths. Then they would fly up in the trees and fluff feathers to dry. Didn't see a sign of the heron, but I'll bet he was around somewhere. We did see some ducks fly up from down below. Must have been in the lower pool where somebody has dammed up a place for the kids to play in the water.

I see by the clock, it's getting close to bed time for me. Nite all.

Granny

More grad school insanity

Howdy, I thought I would send y'all another tidbit of the grad school life. A friend of my who has her PhD (she made it to the other side!) sent me this clip. It's kind of cheesy especially for those that do not like Lady Gaga. Also it's bio-science, not physics, but there are a lot of elements in this video that are common to all graduate school programs.

I have to admit I've been on the verge of losing my marbles and singing a song of physics grad school frustration, but haven't reached that level yet. I'm at the stage of making blog posts, I'm not dancing around... yet.

I guess I've been able to keep it together, whereas this lady lost it, but hey if you're gonna lose it have fun in the process!

Bio grad student flips out

Grad school is tough

Hey y'all any ideas out there for a good crappy PL results story? Grandma had a really cool explanation. Are there any other ideas out there, anybody? Well for your entertainment here is a little video medley that will give you a taste of the grad student life......

Grad school

What a day, What a day!!

When I got up this AM I thought we were going to town. We got a frantic call from one of the guys who went out crystal digging a few days ago. Phillip almost didn't answer it because he thought i wanted to go to town. I told him to answer it and see what the guy wanted. We can always go to town another day, it's not something that couldn't be put off to a later day.

As it turned out, he wanted to go back out to get crystals. Said he went out by himself one day and couldn't find any. He knew we would find a place for him to dig or give him stock of ours.

We met him out there and he had his wife and another gal with him. The 2 gals had cleared out a place under a palo verde tree and had set up camp as I call it. Folding table and chairs, big cooler. and a few other things. I thought to myself, Damn ! Damn! I will be babysitting. But as it turned out they started knitting and told me I didn't have to cater to them. If I wanted to look for crystals, to go right ahead. I started to look around when another car came and another gal got out and joined the other 2. She knew them but she had come out to look for crystals. She picked around on the surface a bit but spent most of her time talking to the other 2 gals. I never even found out what their names were. Phillip took the old dude back to the same hole he had the digging in before and dug the hole out deeper. Sure enough there was more crystals down below. Kept him busy until lunch time. The old gals had went all out and had fixed a big lunch. Wanted us to join them but Phillip had already packed a lunch for us because when we go to Prescott we usually stop somewhere on the way home a look for arrowheads. Any way they left shortly after lunch. Meantime I had gotten into a big pocket of crystals and didn't say anything to anybody. Phillip came and opened the hole deeper and we were still pulling out crystals at 5;00 And time to head back. Phillip caved the hole in and scattered fresh dirt over the tailings so no one would think we found anything there. I will clean it out the next time we go back out that way. I think the old guy wants to go back out this thursday.

Hey Jake! You never did say what you were trying to prove with that graph thing. I was wondering. This is your weird granny who dreams of two different kinds of meteorites that are so violently anti magnetic toward each other that they create a very strong antimagnetic power even stronger than magnets. Remember I wrote about that dream back last year. Anyway I was thinking of magnetic power used in your experiment. Too weird?? I don't always remember my brain-echos but I seem to remember the weird ones.

Getting late now so I'm out of here and into bed.

Granny.

More about the cave.

This is the entrance leading to the patio.

This is another entrance to the cave. This is the one from the patio. The floor was paved with stones just like the patio was. A lot of decomposed granite has fallen from the huge boulders up above and covers a lot of the paving stones. A couple of places in here have been excavated by some early pot hunters I'll bet.

Taken from outside the cave, this one of the windows that lets light into the cave.

This is the patio area. Phillip uncovered a couple of the paving stones so you can see. The Indians would have most likely had this area covered with agave stems and ocotilla branches woven together and covered with grass to make it dry for the most part when it rained or snowed. The roof has decomposed and along with the windblown dust, the accumulation has allowed the grass to grow in here now. It was probably pretty cozy in here at one time.

This was such an interesting place to visit. Just goes to show you the Indians were more civilized that one would think. Wonder if the men or the women thought of doing this?

This cave is about a half mile from the creek down below. and looking out from the cave down that way is a spectacular view. Phillip said he took pics but he must have forgot that he didn't, because when I processed them, there wasn't one of the view. He did take some toward the cave area from the other side of the canyon, when he went on a hike up there.

As you can tell this cave area is on a granite batholith. So much of it has cracked and then decomposed along the cracks to leave the huge boulders and holes for the caves. Towering for about 3000 feet above the creek floor is a very diverse composition geologically. Granite base overlaid with layers of limestone, ash, basalt and lava. One can look up and see the rim of the mesa high above. All around are chunks of rocks from the mesa that have fallen down . The Indians used the flat layers of limestone to floor the patio and cave. They also used it for some of the walls around one opening. The hearthstones were made from it as well. Limestone ash contained nodules of chert that the Indians used to make their arrowheads and tools. There are chips of it everywhere. There were blowouts of obsidian they used to make tools and arrowheads as well. We also found chips of rhyolite and agate here too. One blowout of a red tuff was not too far from where we parked. I dug in one fire pit that was lined with the red tuff. Didn't find anything but a few bones that were like petrified. we plan to go back to this area sometime before snake season.

Granny.

I agree.

Kinda in line with Jake's experiment scientifically. Leaving out the morons, of which there are plenty of in this world, his contest could be fun.

There are plenty of morons on the highway and in government. Take your pick as to which are the worst. You can probably thinks of a good many more of them out there.

Granny

It's the truth.

Just an idea.

Hey Jake!! What if you took a battery from a Volt and attached it to your experiment. Would that give it some fire?

It's another saturday kiddies.

That Granny is getting out and about too. Today was a stay at home and relax day. Did some picture sorting and aranging in my albums on the laptop. Still trying to get them all labeled and put into slideshows, then maybe on to dvd's. Going slow because I have to be in the mood for this sort of thing. Phillip and I did some internet surffing too.

Had to get the Ranger towed down to the shop to get it fixed. Some time between the last time Phillip started it and a while back, some bastards ( what Phillip calls them) stole the gas out of it and when Phillip started up after that, it started puking out and it must have sucked up some stuff from the bottom of the tank and then it wouldn't run good even after he put more gas in it. The fuel filter is plugged and there is no way Phillip can change it himself without a gizmo to blead the line first. And so on. As I said before, Shit happens.

I did get thru to the comments on comments to the blog this time. Commented on Jakes post. Ought to be fun if nothing else. Might even give Jake a clue.

Well kiddos, it's my bedtime. Nite all, Granny.

WTF

If this doesn't post this time I'm gonna be real pissed. I was so tired last night I just wasn't going to retype all the stuff I put on the blog when it didn't post. I don't know whats going on but it seem like a conspiracy. Every time I'm really tired, the blog doesn't post. Pisses me off royally.
I was tired because I didn't get enough sleep for 2 nights and then had to meet the 3 dudes who wanted us t take them to get crystals at 7 AM down in Congress. At least I didn't have to babysit wives. Phillip found a good hole for them to dig then went to find a hole for the next people we take out there to use. People pay us to help them get crystals, not just show them the area. We guarantee they will get some or we give them some from our stock. One of the old guys just wanted to find a few crystals to throw out in the back yard for the grand kids to find. He didn't do any digging, just walked around picking them up off the ground. I did take him to a spot where he could get a sandwich bag full of crystals that were not perfect but what the hell, little kids don't know the difference. I gave him a sandwich bag of good ones, after all , it cost him 20 bucks just to come out to the place. The other guys got pretty good crystals. Phillip did have to get them another hole when they said the one they were in went dry. Phillip will have to dig it out and make sure. Lots of times there will be a layer of rock then another layer of crystals under that. Newbies don't know that.
One of the old boys wants us to take him out to the geode dig today. He was going to come by at 7AM but showed up at 6;30. Good thing we were almost ready to go. He was really gung ho. He was hoping to get geode with fire opal in them. We guarantee geodes but the fire opal is just luck. I picked around close to the rigs and found zilch. Mostly I just sat in the shade and read, wishing I had a cot to snooze on. The old boy found plenty of geodes. so many in fact that Phillip had to help him pack them out. Really pooped tonight. I hope I can sleep tonight. Got bad heartburn after I went to bed last night and couldn't get back to sleep for a while after eating some tums to quell the burn.
Don't know what is going on with this blog. First posts that don't then comments to comments I can't make. Tried to make a comment on the one Jake made on What the ZZZZZZ.
Any how Jake, photoluminescence may be ho hum for you, but to me it's kinda interesting. I say go for the posts. What the hell! Someone might have an Idea. You can always tell them at work, you have a weird granny that must have given you some faulty hypotheses.
I'm out of here and heading for bed. Nite all. Granny.

PL explanation contest!

Okay this is one of the MANY sets of PL data that have been driving me bananas. As far as I can tell nobody has seen this before. My guess is that if they have they realize it's a bunch of crap and keep it a secret. As a grad student though you have to report everything you find, crap or not and you have to explain it. I think this is a particularly annoying cowpie-of-a-data-set so rather than get mad, I'm gonna have some fun. So if you're up to it, give me the best explanation you can for this steaming pile. Anything goes folks, aliens, sea monsters, nano-scale space monkeys...... I'll take anything, because it's probably better than what I got now which is a whole lotta "I dunno"

How tired I am!

Didn't sleep good last night. Didn't sleep good the night before, and had to meet those 3 dudes down in Congress at 7:30 this AM, so had to get up and out early. Good thing I didn't have to babysit wives today. Phillip got the guys into a hole then he looked for new places to take someone else next time. One of the old dudes wants to go out to the geode area tomorrow AM and we gotta meet him at 7 down in Congress. Anything for a buck.

I'm going to bed, Nite all.

Granny.

Well Hell !!!

Maybe so but the memory part is getting a little slower. I was half asleep this AM and blabbing about photoluminescence. I know what I was talking about is in a mineral book somewhere, but I can't remember where it is. Maybe out in the shop. Anyhow I think I am pretty close in thinking what I was thinking half the night is around about what I was talking about. Now what the hell was I talking about? Oh yeh! That stuff called photoluminescence. I do know luminescence is a form of light energy. Right? Only thing is, there are many forms of light energy. Natural, like sunlight, moonlight and lightning. Then there is the manmade stuff called electricity. Right? Then kiddies, there is that mysterious stuff that glows in the dark. Well after it is excited by a source of light first. Like radium and uranium. Some stones and fossils will too. Now is this photoluminescence? I think maybe I'm right or at least close. Seems like I remember that scientists use photoluminescence to date minerals. They use it to tell how long they have been buried? Tell me Jake am I close? Anyway if I'm wrong I am going to plead the fact I suffer from CRS, so there.
Today was bright and sunny and muddy here in the yard. Snow has slid off the roof of the shop and the berm isn't melted yet, so too nasty to work out in the shop. Best reason in the world to sit on my butt and play puter games. Tomorrow we are back to the desert to earn a buck.
Granny.

What the Zzzzzzzzz.

I made the post last night just before I went to bed. I made a comment to Jake about photoluminescence being kinda interesting. Being tired, one would think I'd go right to sleep as soon as I hit the pillow. But no! My brain just kept echo-ing and re echo-ing the damn word back and forth in my head. I got to thinking, I know what that means. Somewhere in the dark regions of my cranium there lurks the answer. Hmmmm. Photo. Means pictures, right? Luminescence means shiny things or light, right? Hmmmmm. Pictures of light. No don't seem the right thing. Hmmmmm. Fireflies have a shine. No that's phosphorescence. Minerals glow in the dark under a black light. No that's florescence. Finally Bingo!! Sometimes when you put some minerals under a black light then turn it off, the darn things will still glow. Sometimes when you subject some minerals to a strong light then turn it off they will glow. Right? That I think is photoluminescence. Gonna have to drag out the old mineral book and check to make sure. This was my final thought about 2:30 last night when I last looked at the clock. Any way this AM, I am still a bit groggy from listening to brain echos most of the night. Good thing it's not today that we have to take a party out to Date creek to get crystals, That's tomorrow. Wonder if he will have a brand new mustang convertible like the last folks we took out there had.

Granny

Spring is here?

Today was farmers market day down on the desert so we decided to get the hell out of dodge and head down that way and pick up some fresh veggies. Cleared off last night and froze the snow hard as ice. I had to walk on top of the snow to the rig because Phillip couldn't even begin to put shovel in the stuff. Now if the snow is frozen that hard, and I can walk on top of it, you know it got right cold last night.

Down below, It was real "snice" as Phillip says. I had to keep my sweatshirt on most of the day, but that was because of a slight breeze. I did set the chair up behind the rig out of the breeze and sat there and soaked up that warm sunshine a bit. As usual Phillip took a long hike and the shit found 6 arrowheads in an encampment about 2 1/2 miles up in the low hills. Not me this time, I drug my ass up there a couple of years ago and got pooped out. It was that place where he kept saying ' just a little bit farther, we're almost there" for the last half mile up hill. " Never again", says I. I walked all over around the vicinity of the rig and never found anything worth keeping except some desert roses and a broken arrowhead. I found 2 different outcrops of agate the Indians must have got material from because there were chips all over the place. Vein was only about 4 inches wide in one and about 1 inch in the other. Pale blue and white with a lacy pattern. I dug out a couple of pieces that were much blue-er, so goes to show it does fade on exposure to the sun. It was fairly dry down there. A few puddles around but the ground was so dry, the rain was soaked up like a sponge.

Afterward we got our veggies and came back up to snow country. The snow was melted in the driveway, and places where Phillip shoveled the snow that fell off the roof onto the porch. Even the place where I walked on frozen snow had melted in the sun. There is still plenty of snow in the yard yet.

Hey Jake! That photoluminescence stuff sounds kinda interesting but I don't know about that illipitti, whatever other stuff. But then, Hey! I'm weired about these things anyway.

Granny.

This is exciting!

Yeah folks un-published data for your viewing entertainment! Step right up and see the amazing Nelson-Riley plot of lattice constants! Remember you saw it here first folks, on Grandma's blog!

Ok, I'll cut the sarcasm but somebody out there has got to have something more interesting than XRD data? I'm sure somebody is doing something exciting that is post worthy. I sure as hell don't have anything fun to post, that it unless you want to see some spectroscopic ellipsometry experimental and modeling spectra. If that floats your boat I got tons of that for ya! Heck I'll even through in some confidence intervals just for kicks! I could sure use more pictures of snow or hikes or animals, it gets pretty boring looking at photoluminescence data.

Grandma, keep up the awesome blog posts! It's nice to know that there is a world outside of my office and lab space.

Live, Love and Laugh a Lot!

Tried to email that post andit didn't center right. If I was smart and knew more about html editing I could have fixed it. Sheeeeesh!
Granny.

Yooo Hooo

Hey! Is anybody out there? Is everyone expired? This is th 4th post i've made today and I haven't seen anyone even comment much for the past 2 months let alone post a few words. Maybe no body is reading.
Granny.

Them bones, them bones, them cow bones.

Remember I told you on an earlier post about a party on craigslist who wanted cow bones. Well I emailed them about how many and what price they were paying. As it turns out, it was a guy who does woodburning on them and sells at the flea market. I knew when he said he was looking to get the bones free as he was a handicaped vet who used them in a craft project. Pure bull. I saw him at the flea market and he wasn't handicaped in any way if he could bring all the stuff he had to the flea market every week. I didn't let on I knew who he was and told him I couldn't provide any bones free. They were out there if he went out and looked for them. Pretty good deal if he can get his bones for nothing. He does make some pretty good pictures on the bones. Most of them are western in concept. I tried it once and it stinks like hell when you do it. Phillp has a knife he made from a cow jawbone set with obsidian for the blade and has an antler handle. It would look good with woodburning on it but he likes it as it is. Maybe he will get around to making something out of the bones he has collected around here and do something with them. Who knows? Any way that's what's up with the bone thing.
Granny.

HO HUM !!

Yeh!! I know, you guys see this shit all the time, but we don't as a rule see it down here this time of the year. Phillip took this yesterday and must have screwed up on the setting or something. Out the back door.

Another from the back door. Guess where the shovel is? Look at the shed other side of the car. You don't suppose it might be in there do you? Guess again? That's right, who'd a thunk it? Might we need the shovel in March? Should we leave it on the porch in case it might snow? Who'd a thunk it would do this when Phillip was running around in shorts and muscle shirt on friday? Sheeeeit!!

Better pics in the post before this one.

Granny.

It' beginning to look a lot like WINTER.

These are some pictures Phillip took this AM. This is from our front door looking south toward a neighbors house. Phillip couldn't get the stormdoor all the way open because of the snow berm, so he reached around the door and snapped this.

This is from the back porch looking south toward the same neighbors house. You can usually see it but now because of the snow, it's hidden.

This is from the front door looking toward the neighbors place.

Phillip took this from my bedroom window, looking south. He took some yesterday but they didn't turn out very good. I will post a couple of them next.

Granny.

What a day, What a day!!

It's almost bedtime and it's still at it out there. Been snowing off and on all day. Got about a foot still on the ground after some melted with a bit of rain at one time. Who knows how much will be there when we wake up in the morning. Only good thing about snow is that it melts slowly so it soaks in and don't run down to the neighbors yard. It will be a muddy mess when this is all over. They had to close the freeway up by Flagstaff for the biggest part of the day due to the heavy snowfall. Just not enough equipment to clear away the snow and the wrecks. This will prolong the ski-ing up in the high country. This should give the cactus the moisture to grow some buds. Not any so far this year and by this time some cactus are ready to bloom. I hate snow but it's good for some things.
It was one of these lazy days. Phillip did get 6 disposable pans of lasagna made and froze, then we played some puter games. At least the power stayed on for a change. Usually goes off every time it snows or rains. I guess it did it's dirty work last night but I won't be surprised if the coffee isn't done when I wake upin the morning. Damn cold today. It even didn't get above 59 down in Pheonix today. About 38 here to day was the high. Sheeeit!! I'm going to turn the electric blanket on and warm the bed. I damn near took it off last week when I changed sheets. Glad I didn't now. And this is supposed to be AZ.? Global warming? Bullshit!!
Granny.

Sunday morning coming down.

Good thing it is Sunday, because we woke up to about 8 inches of the fluffy white shit all over the ground. As much as I hate the stuff we really needed it bad. A few more inches predicted for today. Power went out last night while the white shit dropped and so my coffee wasn't ready when I got up and that don't help any ones morale around this house.

Phillip plans to make a shitload of lasagna today for the freezer. Make for the meals he likes the most. Not shake and bake but thaw and bake. When we go out he puts the frozen stuff in the cooler and takes it with us. If it's cool I take it out a while to thaw and if it's hot it will thaw out enough in the cooler. He is a good thing to have around. We got 3 large zucchini from the fruit stand out in Aguila and we had fried zucchini for lunch the other day then he made 8 loaves of zucchini and banana bread for the freezer. Good with the beans he cooked up in the crock pot a while back and froze. Yep! He is a handy person to have around. Think I'll keep him. I would probably settle for cereal like a lot of the other oldies if he didn't cook.

Granny.

Weekend again.

Granny.

Indian Cave.

This is the topmost reach of the cave in the rocks. There are small openings in between some of the rocks that let in light. Not much sigh of animal activity in here. No sign of bats. There is a lot of room for the indians to have slept up here in this loft so to speak. Almost natural steps to get up there. Phillip didn't go all the way up in there. Don't think there is anything to find up there because you can see where hunters have camped in the area and they surely have looked up there as they have occupied the cave too.

This is a lower area of the cave. The indians may have used it for storage but it is big enough to have been used for something else. Just a small flat area down in the lower left hand side of the pic, but stuff could have been stored on the ledges above it. One has to climb over a rock to get into the flat spot. Phillip climbed over in there and found some broken pottery.

This is one entrance. There was once a wall of rocks in front of it. Most of them have either been torn down or have just fallen. To the left of the entrance some of the wall is still standing. There are two other entrances to the cave and what was once a paved patio. Phillip got pics of the floor of the cave in the main chamber. I will show those pics at a later time, so keep in touch.

Granny.

Sheeeesh.

It's the damn truth.

Going to have to kill the cat now before he talks.

The cat did tell me," If you want to lose weight, to keep my damn ass out of the fridge".

granny.

Sheeeesh.